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H: Oh, I should drink, before the recording starts. Because it’s so loud.
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M: God, that’s so loud!
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H: I know, I’m sorry.
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M: No, I was joking! [giggles]
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H: I know. Actually, I didn’t.
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M: I was totally joking! Hi Baby, how you doing?
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H: I just burped. Is that gonna be in the recording?
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M: Yep, sure is.
M: Good, that’ll work. [giggles] I’m out of water. We’re so ready.
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H: Okay. Hi, I’m Hanna, and I burp a lot. I also fart a lot. I’m a human
being and I have all the functions
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of a human, that happen frequently. I’m also on my period right
now. I’m sweating profusely.
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All the things coming out of my body
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M: You’re doing a clear out.
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H: I’m also really praying, that
I’m not gonna cry while we do
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this recording. Although I’m pretty close right now.
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M: So that’s where we’re at today.
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H: OH, I’m so hot. I’m sorry. We weren’t actually supposed to record today.
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M: No, we weren’t.
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H: And then Megan called me. And first
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she told me about a dream that
she had, that made me very upset.
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And then she was like: So I had a change in my schedule
and I have a free hour. Do you want to record? And I was like… yes?
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M: I don’t have a lot of free hours
right now. The free hours are thin on the ground.
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H: Yeah. So didn’t think I could say no. So, here we are. Tell them your dream.
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M: I’m so into this. I’m so into it. Okay.
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H: This is gonna be either the worst, or the best, or both at the same time.
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M: I’m into it. I don’t care. So
my dream. The dream was long and involved but
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the beginning of the dream was, that I had to go
to Germany to get something that would have been
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too complicated and expensive to somehow
figure out how to get to me in America. And
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so I was in Germany, for like a day, like less
than 24 hours.
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H: Sounds like my wedding.
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M: Similar. And so I got there at night and I like
went to Hanna’s house. Where, your, which was also
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your mom’s house. But it was neither of the
actual houses that you have lived in. Just
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to be clear. It was a wholly different house. But
you and your mom were both living there. And
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so I slept in a bed, like without telling her
I was there. I got there, I went in the house,
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I slept in the bed. I woke up in the morning and I
was like: “This is so great. Hanna loves surprises.
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I’m gonna go in there and surprise her.” And the
baby was with me. Which was like: She’s gonna be
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over the moon! And so I went into her room and
I woke her up that morning. And I was like: “Hi!
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I’m here!” And she was obviously thrilled. She had a
great time. And then we just like spent the morning
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hanging out with Hanna and the baby. And then I
went and got what I needed. And it was only like
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12 and my flight back wasn’t until like 7 pm.
So like I did a whole bunch of stuff after that.
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Not the important part of the dream, but it was
super cute. So I called her and told her about that
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this morning. And she was like: “How dare you. I told
you I’m close to tears all the time right now!”
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H: That would be, like, one
of the best days of my life. That’s
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like, these kind of things, these kind of
surprises, is what I live for.
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M: It is. I know. It was magical. I wish I could do it for real.
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H: Me too.
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M: I know.
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H: Okay, let’s get out of sob town.
What are we talking about today?
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M: We are talking about hypnobirthing today. And
I’m so excited. I’m turning you up because I can’t hear you well.
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H: I was like: “Yeah, let’s record. But
can we do something, where you do the talking and I’m just here?”
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M: And I was like: “Can we talk
about hypnobirthing?” She said yes.
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Oh, my baby’s crying. It happens.
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H: He’s with someone. Again. We’ve said this before. But just be clear: He’s taken care of.
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M: There is a babysitter here.
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Nanny? I feel weird using the word nanny. But
she’s here like a significant amount. So I
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feel like she’s technically a nanny. But I
feel like only fancy people have nannies.
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Doesn’t matter. It’s not true.
Not only fancy people have nannies. I guess I have a nanny. So he’s with the nanny.
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H: Also: What’s the definition of fancy?
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M: Like more income than I have.
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H: [chuckels] Okay.
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M: It doesn’t matter. She is lovely and
here a lot. So I think we can call her a nanny.
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Anyway. Hypnobirthing. I love
hypnobirthing. I love it so much.
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I cannot shut up about it. So I have given
myself time stamps and I have notes,
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so that I don’t talk for four hours.
Because I feel like, that’s not gonna be
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editable and also not
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H: I wanna say something really quick. We did a first take on Megan’s birth story.That was like…
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M: That we are not going to post.
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H: That we’re not going to post. I spent 16 hours
editing it. And afterwards we were like: “Yeah…. should
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we do that again?” For different reasons. But it was
two and a half hours and she talked a lot about
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hypnobirthing. So after that, I was like: “So one: I
think we should do that again. Oh also: we only
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got through half of the birth.
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M: Yeah we had only just
gotten to the birth center, when you were like…
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H: No no no no no no no! We were at the point at, where
you would leave the house! We weren’t at the birth
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center yet! There’s a long car ride…
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M: We didn’t do the car ride?!
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M: Oh my god.
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H: Anyways. So I was like: One: We’re doing that again.
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Two: Before we do that, we’re recording an episode
about hypnobirthing. So you can get all of it out.
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Everybody knows. you don’t need to take
detours and we talk just about the birth. So here we are.
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Hypnobirthing. Megan. What is it?
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M: And I do have a section… What’s that?
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H: Sorry. I was about to cue you in. Go.
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M: Oh, okay. Yeah. And I do have a section
about how I used it in birth. And like
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what worked for me and what I expected and
all of that. So we’ll get there. I’m so excited.
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Hello my dears. I come to you from the
laundry corner of my kitchen. Which is a
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terrible mess. But I am popping in at the
beginning of this episode to say I messed
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up and I’m really sorry. And I wanted to say
that before we go into this episode, because
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I’m so disappointed in myself.
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The episode you’re about to listen to is
about hypnobirthing and I talk a lot about
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unmedicated vaginal birth. And what I call it is:
natural birth. And I’m so mad at myself. I have
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been working for a while to train my brain to call
it unmedicated birth. And clearly it hasn’t worked
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all the way. But I am still trying to do that.
I grew up hearing about unmedicated birth being
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called natural birth. And that’s not to say it’s
an excuse. It’s just to say that’s how my brain
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was taught to use that word. And I get so
annoyed at people when they say natural birth.
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So I guess that’s like a: “Why don’t you check
yourself before you try to check other people?”
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type situation. So here I am checking myself. I
really apologize. I hope that you can forgive me.
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Some of you might not care. But I know that
there are people that will be just as irced
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as I would be listening to a podcast episode where
they talk about “natural birth”.
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So all my love to you people that had
them beautiful natural medicated births.
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And all my love to the people that didn’t.
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And try to be kind. But I get it, if you’re mad.
Because I would be too. So I hope that that doesn’t
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ruin your listening experience of this episode and
your ideas about hypnobirthing. Because hypnobirthing is
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amazing. Although in the Mongan Method she does use
“natural birth” constantly and it really annoyed me.
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So again, here we are. Yeah, I’m sorry. And I
just wanted to acknowledge it ahead of time. And
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we decided not to re-record or
anything. Or hold the episode, because
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this is… Oh, sorry, I’m shaking. This is part of
what we’re here for. We’re here to mess up.
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And it’s not cute. And it’s not aesthetic. And
it’s not clean or easy. But it’s what happened.
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So here’s the hypnobirthing
episode and I hope you enjoy it. Bye.
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Okay. But let’s start at the beginning.
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Hypnobirthing, also known as
the Mongan Method, also known…
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[Loud baby noises in the background] He’s so great. Also known in
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some places as calm birth. Although there
is like a “Calm Birth” Method, which is
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apparently different. Which I found out today, as
I was googling to find some information. So I
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knew that I preferred to have a natural birth.
I wanted to be open and non-judgmental about
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intervention methods, depending on the evidence. And,
you know, my status and pregnancy and all of that.
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And I still very much support that.
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And hypnobirthing is one way of
mitigating some of those risks and
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preventing unnecessary intervention.
So my mom… I’m only gonna go into the…
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I gave myself five minutes for this. So. My mom
had three different kinds of births.
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And one of them was a natural birth after
a c-section. Again, like, I wil
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stop giving disclaimers. But I’m not saying
that natural birth is the only way to have,
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or unmedicated vaginal birth is the only way
to have a calm lovely experience of birth.
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But there’s also a lot of benefits to
having a natural birth, as it’s possible.
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I was interested in natural birth, because
of her process with natural birth. Which was:
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After she had the c-section, this was in the 80s,
she had to interview a bunch of doctors to get
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them to let her have a VBAC. Which is a vaginal
birth after c-section. So she finally did find
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like the head of OB at a hospital near her. Who
was like: “Yeah, absolutely. You could do that. That’s
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great. I’m down. Let’s do it.” So she had me and my
brother, I’m the middle child, he’s the youngest,
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with that doctor. So that’s why I was
interested in a natural birth. Because my
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mom fought really hard for it. And always
talked about why she did that. And the
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benefits of natural birth. So that
was always in my head. And then I
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am an avid YouTube watcher. And I have been
watching Louise Pentland for a lot of years.
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And my first encounter with hypnobirthing via
youtube was Hannah Michalak, who’s a vlogger,
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and had her second birth with hypnobirthing.
And then Louise Pentland, who also had
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her second birth through hypnobirthing. And
I think a lot of people come to hypnobirthing
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in their second births. Often because of
uncomfortable or traumatic first births.
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I’m really glad that, I didn’t wait to do it until the
second one. But I also totally see how it is
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so easy to just go: I’m gonna do whatever the
doctor tells me to do, I don’t need to like
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take on a whole other section of learning
and experience to do this. Because, that’s,
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I have too much going on right now and
I don’t know what I’m doing and I don’t
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want to be in charge. Like, I totally get that.
Right? Like, find an expert, trust that expert.
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What I experienced and now, like…
Once I decided to do hypnobirthing…
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From the beginning of my birth, I was interested
in, – from birth -, of my pregnancy, I was interested in
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hypnobirthing. Because of what I had heard
from people online, what I had looked up myself.
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And so I wanted to look into it. I knew
there were other, like natural birth methods,
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but this one seemed like, right up my street.
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And so I looked into it a lot. But you’re not
supposed to do a birth class until like pretty
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late in your pregnancy. I did it probably
earlier than most people do. I started at
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20 something weeks, it must have been.
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I think I started before I was six months pregnant.
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So it was pretty early.
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But I took a course locally.
I found a teacher locally, because I really wanted
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to do an in-person course – hahaha. And I really wanted to
meet other expecting parents. Again, lol. And
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so I found someone locally. Who, thank
god, because she was the only person
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I could find locally, that wasn’t like an
hour plus away. She had just started doing,
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like this was, one: Her second class
that she had taught total, period. And
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the first class that she had taught in my local
area. So I was super excited. I emailed her
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in like December. Like way too early. I was like: “Hey,
are you doing any classes locally here and please
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let me know if you do start a course and bla bla bla.”
And she said: “Well I don’t have enough
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people to do that, yet. But I am interested. I’ve got
a place. And so if you, you know, I’ll let you know,
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when we have enough people to do a class.” And
that ended up being in April, which was great,
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because it was, you know, far enough along that I
could take a course and it would be pretty normal.
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So I started, we had one in person class and,
I don’t remember if we were wearing masks
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at that point. I don’t think so. I think it was
like right before things got really serious.
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I might have been wearing masks. We definitely had like hand sanitizer and were sitting pretty far apart from each other.
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H: I think you wore masks. I remember you telling me about it.
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M: Yeah, we must have done, because it was… It was the beginning of April. So it was already a couple weeks into
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serious, more serious stuff. Pandemic times.
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And after that course, it was like six people
in a pretty small room, and we just weren’t
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comfortable going. So after that course we
went online and ended up having one-on-one
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sessions with her. Which was kind of a bummer.
For like, knowing the people in our class.
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But it ended up working just fine.
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I really liked having an actual class where
someone was expecting me to be there and someone
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was expecting me to have practiced. Because there’s
a lot of practice involved in hypnobirthing.
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I think there’s practice involved in most
birth courses but in this one especially.
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And someone who expected me to have read the stuff and
watch the videos that she sent out and…
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I need accountability. So that was great for me. That
was why I wanted a local course to begin with.
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Her teaching was fine. Again, it was only her second
course she had ever taught. So that process takes a
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lot of practice, I’m sure. And I did find, and
and have generally found that, there’s a lot of
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very anti-hospital rhetoric in the natural
birth community, in the hypnobirth community.
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Although there’s, there’s a spectrum,
right? Obviously, there’s a spectrum.
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In the natural birth community, I, feel like
there’s, generally speaking, the two extremes of
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fundamentalist religious person and
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person, like anti-everything medicine. And those
are the two rhetorics that are happening. And I’m
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not saying that the people are that way. But that
is, those are, that’s the language that’s used.
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And neither of those really totally
fit my personal approach to stuff.
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So I was nervous. And she definitely fell into
one of those streams and talked in one of
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those ways. Luckily, in hypnobirthing, there is
active language about using hypnobirthing in a
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hospital birth, using hypnobirthing in a c-section,
using hypnobirthing with all versions of birth.
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And that’s one of the things that I love about it
So we were able to pull that out of it, even though
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there was a little bit of a disconnect in mindset
and approach with our teacher, personally.
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Part of this course was reading the Mongan
Method, the Hypnobirthing (The
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Mongan Method), the book. Which we will link
below. I definitely think it is worth reading.
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It’s really interesting. Especially at the,
the beginning of the book. It’s a lot of
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deconstructing our public perception of birth.
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And I had done some of that already.
Like I mentioned. With my mom and
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through some of the content I was consuming.
But we have a lot of, as a western society, we
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have a lot of ideas about what birth looks
like and what it feels like. And that it’s
00:22:47.440 –> 00:22:55.600
scary and painful and life-threatening. We
have this idea, that birth is life-threatening.
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And while it certainly can be life-threatening,
and there are life-threatening complications
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that can happen in a birth, the vast
majority, like vast vast majority of births,
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do not include a life-threatening
complication. Are completely natural processes.
00:23:17.440 –> 00:23:25.600
The word natural has a lot of baggage. But
are completely human, basic human processes.
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H: I’ve heard a lot of midwives say that birth is
not a medical event. Does that fit what you’re trying to say?
00:23:31.600 –> 00:23:42.720
M: Right. Yeah, it does. It doesn’t
have to be. And we have had so many improvements
00:23:42.720 –> 00:23:53.360
in medicine and so many advances in how to
treat the emergencies that do come up, that we’ve
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kind of swung too far, to trying to “fix” what’s
happening in birth. And I said “fix” in air quotes.
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When nothing is wrong.
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So hypnobirthing, and some other
natural birthing techniques,
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really work to deconstruct how
we think about birth and
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what our mind-body connection
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does during birth. And specifically hypnobirthing
really works on that mind-body connection. And
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how we perceive what’s happening to us, affects
what happens to us. So in hypnobirthing you’re
00:24:41.680 –> 00:24:50.800
trying to retrain your brain to perceive what’s
happening to you as a natural and beautiful thing.
00:24:51.520 –> 00:24:57.440
And what that does is, it changes the hormones
that are moving throughout your body. Instead
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of fear hormones you have bonding hormones
and happy hormones. And the hormone that is
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integral to contractions and
the labor of giving birth
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is oxytocin. The drug, that they give you to
induce birth, is pitocin, which is a synthetic form
00:25:25.680 –> 00:25:32.880
of oxytocin. And oxytocin is a happy hormone, right?
It’s a bonding hormone. It’s a happy hormone.
00:25:35.600 –> 00:25:39.300
H: In German we call it the Kuschelhormon. The cuddling
00:25:39.300 –> 00:25:47.800
M: The cuddling hormone! Yeah! Exactly! Because you get it, when you cuddle. When you bond. You get it when you breastfeed.
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Which is why, after birth, sometimes, breastfeeding causes contractions. Because that’s what makes contractions happen,
00:25:53.120 –> 00:25:59.040
is oxytocin. It’s this bonding, happy, cuddly
hormone. I like that: the Kuschelhormon.
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So that’s what hypnobirthing does. And
that was the practice that I was starting
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to incorporate into my world. And the way
that it does that is through self-hypnosis.
00:26:18.080 –> 00:26:28.080
And I know, that hypnosis is a word that is laden
with like creepy rooms and big performance stuff,
00:26:28.080 –> 00:26:34.480
right? Like we had a guy come to our college who
was a hypnotist and he got people on stage and
00:26:34.480 –> 00:26:40.640
he got them to like dance around like chickens,
right? That’s what I associate with hypnosis.
00:26:41.360 –> 00:26:47.280
And I associate hypnosis with, like, my aunt
went to a hypnotist to quit smoking. That’s…
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Those are the things that I had in my brain when
it came to hypnosis. My experience of hypnobirthing,
00:26:54.240 –> 00:27:01.920
and the hypnosis and self-hypnosis that
happens through the practice of a hypnobirthing
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hypnosis, self-hypnosis practice? I don’t know.
Was, that it was kind of what I pictured, and had
00:27:13.360 –> 00:27:19.600
somewhat experienced in meditation. Especially
in guided meditation. So, and this is where I’m
00:27:19.600 –> 00:27:28.560
gonna lean on Hanna a little bit. Because Hanna
has a gorgeous meditation practice. And… No, but
00:27:28.560 –> 00:27:31.034
you actively meditate. You actively meditate.
00:27:31.034 –> 00:27:33.534
H: Sometimes more, sometimes less, yes.
00:27:33.534 –> 00:27:37.034
M: Sure. Which, I think, is part of an active meditation practice.
00:27:37.034 –> 00:27:43.840
I don’t think… anyway.
Anyway, no judging here on your period days.
00:27:45.840 –> 00:27:50.800
No making sweeping judgments about your
meditation practice while you’re hormonal.
00:27:54.720 –> 00:28:07.200
But, in my experience of this hypnobirthing practice,
there was physical relaxation paired with
00:28:07.840 –> 00:28:20.480
visualizations and breathing techniques
and calming practices. That I really,
00:28:22.560 –> 00:28:27.280
basically, what I experienced, was
what I imagined of guided meditation.
00:28:28.240 –> 00:28:33.680
And so it’s someone with a
script saying: “Picture yourself
00:28:35.360 –> 00:28:42.640
in an open field and you can see the colors of
the rainbow. Picture red. You’re surrounded by red.”
00:28:42.640 –> 00:28:47.520
Like there’s, it’s that sort of thing, right?
It’s… It’s you’ve got your eyes closed, you’re
00:28:47.520 –> 00:28:55.760
breathing deeply, you’re calming your body.
And it’s a lot of affirmations. And affirmations
00:28:55.760 –> 00:29:00.160
are used all over the place. Affirmations are
used in meditation, they’re used in therapy,
00:29:02.720 –> 00:29:05.400
00:29:06.160 –> 00:29:15.840
what we associate with something specific.
Ourselves, and in this case, our births.
00:29:18.000 –> 00:29:27.440
So that was awesome. And very thankfully due
to our pandemic life, my partner was able
00:29:27.440 –> 00:29:32.960
to take this class with me. Originally we
had anticipated that he wouldn’t be able to.
00:29:33.680 –> 00:29:39.840
But I’m so grateful that he did.
And that he could. And that is,
00:29:40.960 –> 00:29:45.440
I think, if he hadn’t been able to do
this first in-person course with me,
00:29:45.440 –> 00:29:52.720
“in person” one-on-one locally teacher-led
course with me, I would have had him do
00:29:53.360 –> 00:30:02.960
the online course with me, that I did later in my
pregnancy. Because what I did find is: After the
00:30:02.960 –> 00:30:10.720
course ended, it was awesome. She led us in hypnosis
and in meditation during the course and then
00:30:11.280 –> 00:30:16.640
we got positive birth videos, which were like
these videos of people having these gorgeous
00:30:17.520 –> 00:30:21.920
natural births in all kinds of situations. There
were people at birth centers, there were people
00:30:21.920 –> 00:30:27.760
at home, there were people in hospitals. But
it was like all very calm and very like… oof
00:30:27.760 –> 00:30:36.240
amazing! And powerful. And that’s a huge part
of hypnobirthing in general. Is: Filling your
00:30:38.560 –> 00:30:44.640
narrative and filling your content consumption
with positive birth stories. Which is part of
00:30:44.640 –> 00:30:49.840
the reason we want to put my birth story on
this podcast. I mean, we probably would anyway.
00:30:50.400 –> 00:30:53.520
But for all those people
looking for positive birth stories,
00:30:53.520 –> 00:30:57.760
mine is gorgeous and I loved it and
I can’t wait to tell you all about it.
00:31:00.480 –> 00:31:08.160
But we were watching videos of people giving
birth. We were watching, we were doing meditation or
00:31:08.160 –> 00:31:18.160
self-hypnosis, every single day. We weren’t every
single day, but trying to do it every day.
00:31:20.000 –> 00:31:27.520
And basically, as much as you can practice, as possible.
Like, if you can do it three times a day, go you, you
00:31:27.520 –> 00:31:32.160
should do it three times a day. If you can do it
three times a week, go you, you should do it three
00:31:32.160 –> 00:31:40.880
times a week. The more you can do it, the more it’s
in your body. So we aimed for once a day every
00:31:40.880 –> 00:31:48.800
day, together. Which was also great, because like
meditation is just good for your life in general.
00:31:50.320 –> 00:31:56.640
Like it’s just, it’s a beautiful thing, if you
can relax your body and connect with your body.
00:31:57.360 –> 00:32:02.640
And especially if you’re pregnant. If you can
connect with your body and connect with your baby.
00:32:04.480 –> 00:32:09.280
I found it kind of hard to connect with my baby
sometimes. Because I’ve never had a baby before.
00:32:09.280 –> 00:32:14.080
And I knew that my body was changing.
And I could feel it move sometimes but
00:32:16.240 –> 00:32:20.240
I didn’t do a lot of talking to my baby
before he was born. I would like say “Hello”
00:32:20.240 –> 00:32:24.720
whenever he moved and be like “Hi baby,
how’s it going?” and occasionally I would
00:32:24.720 –> 00:32:28.720
do some talking. And when I was walking, when
I would walk, I would sing to him. But like,
00:32:30.320 –> 00:32:37.760
I didn’t feel like an interpersonal
connection with my like unborn baby.
00:32:38.480 –> 00:32:46.400
And these, sort of, guided meditations helped
with that. And I’m calling them guided
00:32:46.400 –> 00:32:53.040
meditations. So, based on what I’m describing, how,
would you say, that there is a difference between,
00:32:55.760 –> 00:32:59.133
I know I’m vaguely describing it. And you haven’t
experienced it yet, but…
00:32:59.133 –> 00:33:04.633
H: No, I can I can say something about it, because you asked me to speak one for you.
00:33:04.633 –> 00:33:09.840
So I’ll just go from that. You gave me a script…
00:33:10.640 –> 00:33:12.833
M: Oh yeah! I did. … that you recorded for me.
00:33:12.833 –> 00:33:17.833
H: Yeah, that I recorded
for you. Which was so sweet. She asked her sister and I
00:33:17.840 –> 00:33:24.733
to do a script for her, so she could, if she
wanted to, use that in birth and have us there. Which was really cute.
00:33:24.867 –> 00:33:26.667
M: It was awesome.
00:33:27.667 –> 00:33:43.680
H: Yeah, from that, I agree. I think… To me it felt a lot like a mix between a guided meditation and… and I’ve
been trying to think of this word…
00:33:45.760 –> 00:33:51.840
Yes, affirmation, but I’m looking for a
word, that’s a little different than that.
00:33:55.040 –> 00:33:57.840
…it’s not proposition…
00:34:01.280 –> 00:34:01.840
00:34:05.600 –> 00:34:08.640
Like offering something, proposing something, like…
00:34:10.000 –> 00:34:17.520
What’s this word?! Okay, whatever. A mix
between a guided meditation and affirmations.
00:34:25.520 –> 00:34:29.280
And yeah, I also agree with
like, the hypnosis part.
00:34:29.280 –> 00:34:39.360
I also could see in there, which
again, what you said, in order to…
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whoever has this picture of what you said: Hypnosis
is someone making you dance like a chicken,
00:34:49.040 –> 00:34:56.320
is not gonna get the picture here. But I also
don’t know if we’re gonna be able to describe it
00:34:56.320 –> 00:35:03.520
and change that assumption, if you don’t
experience it. So I’m just not going to try.
00:35:04.880 –> 00:35:12.080
M: Yeah. Yeah, I think if you, if anyone
is freaked out by the word hypnosis,
00:35:14.240 –> 00:35:22.633
just replace it with guided meditation.
Yeah, or meditation. Because, it’s close enough.
00:35:22.800 –> 00:35:39.440
H: Yeah! It is. Exactly. When you do a guided meditation, you, at least in my experience, you do get into a very very similar state as hypnosis.
00:35:39.440 –> 00:35:49.520
Because I think there are also… like, there are always
levels to everything, right? Like a hypnosis
00:35:49.520 –> 00:35:54.720
doesn’t need to mean that I can make you
do anything and later you don’t remember.
00:35:54.720 –> 00:36:02.880
It can also mean, like I’m fully aware of
what’s happening and you’re helping me
00:36:02.880 –> 00:36:08.200
imagine stuff, relax more. I feel like that… that’s
where hypnobirthing is at.
00:36:09.833 –> 00:36:21.680
M: Yeah. Right. And where it becomes hypnosis is the fact that,
there is someone, even if it’s a recorded someone,
00:36:22.720 –> 00:36:33.733
that is walking you through the steps of relaxing your body and engaging with changing the way that you think about something.
00:36:33.733 –> 00:36:38.560
I think the hypnosis part is just certain
00:36:38.560 –> 00:36:48.880
tools that whoever is speaking this uses. So
there’s like the counting down, or the, they
00:36:48.880 –> 00:36:56.080
give you an image of walking down a set of stairs
and with every further step you take you get more
00:36:56.080 –> 00:37:01.600
and more relaxed and your eyelids are feeling
heavy and whatever you try you’re not going to
00:37:01.600 –> 00:37:06.960
be able to open them, because they’re really heavy,…
you’re really relaxed… I think those are just
00:37:07.600 –> 00:37:14.333
tools they use for you to be able to get those
visual images and relax.
00:37:14.500 –> 00:37:20.833
M: Yeah. I agree. I agree. So…
00:37:25.200 –> 00:37:30.633
Yeah. That was… I think that was well said.
Cool. Thank you.
00:37:31.633 –> 00:37:34.400
H: I was wondering if I even answered your question.
00:37:34.400 –> 00:37:46.600
M: No, I totally think you did. I think you were able to articulate things that are just out of my, out of my experience. So thank you.
00:37:48.080 –> 00:37:53.280
Yeah, so… I’m just looking at timing.
00:37:55.600 –> 00:38:01.760
So it’s time to move on. I do want to mention
before we move into my birth experience,
00:38:03.040 –> 00:38:08.480
specifically, hypnobirthing wise,
we’re not going to go on forever.
00:38:10.800 –> 00:38:13.360
After I did that class, it was another
00:38:16.400 –> 00:38:25.680
month and a half, two months until I gave birth. So
about at the beginning of July, and I gave birth in
00:38:25.680 –> 00:38:38.800
July, I bought the online pack from The Positive
Birth Company. Which is a UK based hypnobirthing
00:38:40.000 –> 00:38:47.600
school, basically. Who’s… and Siobhan
Miller is the owner of that company.
00:38:49.120 –> 00:38:54.720
And her goal is to make hypnobirthing accessible. So
this pack is 40 pounds. Which ended up being about
00:38:54.720 –> 00:39:03.520
56 dollars, at the time, when I bought it. And, which is
super affordable. The in-person class I took was
00:39:04.640 –> 00:39:12.640
200 dollars. And that was actually on the low end of a
hypnobirthing class. And I think it’s because she
00:39:12.640 –> 00:39:17.840
was new and so she wasn’t charging as much as some
of the more experienced folks were. Because she was
00:39:17.840 –> 00:39:23.760
trying to establish her own experience in itself.
So anyway. 200 dollars for the in-person course, which was
00:39:24.720 –> 00:39:35.040
five weeks of two hours a week. And then I paid
like fifty dollars for the same number of hours
00:39:35.600 –> 00:39:43.680
of content. But obviously it was pre-recorded
and pre-loaded onto the platform. So it wasn’t
00:39:43.680 –> 00:39:52.240
someone interacting with me one-on-one.
Although I think there is like, the, there’s
00:39:52.240 –> 00:39:58.640
definitely like a contact us link, where you
can send questions and send, like ask people
00:39:58.640 –> 00:40:03.520
questions and and send in your own information
feedback and get something personalized.
00:40:04.160 –> 00:40:09.760
But the goal of this is to make it really
accessible in a way that makes sense for the
00:40:09.760 –> 00:40:16.320
instructor. So Siobhan teaches that class. And she
does all the videos for it. And there’s a a whole
00:40:16.320 –> 00:40:23.920
book. And there’s mp3s for doing the practice and
there’s videos of births. And you have access to
00:40:23.920 –> 00:40:29.120
this positive birth Facebook group, which is so
fantastic, and just full of people telling their
00:40:29.120 –> 00:40:37.360
positive birth stories, it’s amazing. And I also did
really struggle to find positive birth stories of
00:40:37.360 –> 00:40:43.760
first-time moms, and there’s lots of those in this
Facebook group. So that was really exciting.
00:40:45.680 –> 00:40:52.080
So that was what I did a few weeks before
my birth as a sort of a refresher. And a
00:40:53.120 –> 00:40:57.040
refresher also of my practice of hypnobirthing, because it was top of mind again.
00:40:58.240 –> 00:41:05.840
So, moving on to my birth. I
loved my birth, it was so great.
00:41:06.960 –> 00:41:17.200
So in hypnobirthing, there’s a lot of promises.
They say if you do this practice, your, well,
00:41:19.280 –> 00:41:27.600
your birth will be either not painful or less
painful. They talk a lot about birth not
00:41:27.600 –> 00:41:36.160
being painful. My birth did involve pain. But it was not unbearable pain, and it was not…
00:41:37.760 –> 00:41:40.160
the contractions were not
the most painful part of my birth.
00:41:41.280 –> 00:41:46.560
And even the most painful part of my
birth, was not worse than anything that I’ve…
00:41:47.120 –> 00:41:56.320
like I’ve had worse pain. I’ve had a lot worse.
So I would say that was a huge part of this.
00:41:58.800 –> 00:42:05.600
I was more calm and more alert,
than my midwife expected me to be. And this is…
00:42:07.440 –> 00:42:13.200
H: Can you explain how that is not
a contradiction? More calm AND more alert?
00:42:14.480 –> 00:42:24.800
M: Oh sure, yeah. So because I was calm, and because
I was not afraid of what was happening, because I
00:42:24.800 –> 00:42:38.160
knew what to expect, and I had tools to engage with
what was happening in my body, I had brain space
00:42:38.160 –> 00:42:43.840
for what was going on around me. And I was
able, I wasn’t freaked out. I wasn’t
00:42:46.320 –> 00:42:49.600
shutting down and entirely, internally focused.
00:42:53.040 –> 00:43:01.520
Although I, and at some point, I was entirely
internally focused. But not in a, I wasn’t in
00:43:01.520 –> 00:43:08.000
a panic, basically. So, and I, again, I haven’t
had any other birth experience, so I can’t speak
00:43:08.000 –> 00:43:14.240
to what it normally is. But I do know, that my
midwife was convinced I wasn’t as far along
00:43:14.240 –> 00:43:21.360
as I said I was, because I was calm and because
I could talk to her in between contractions.
00:43:21.360 –> 00:43:25.680
Because we were having a fairly decent
conversation and I wasn’t like: This is the
00:43:25.680 –> 00:43:31.600
worst thing I’ve ever experienced, get me in there
immediately! Right? Like, that wasn’t where I was.
00:43:32.480 –> 00:43:40.880
And so she thought that I still had 12, 13
hours to go. When I had three to four.
00:43:43.680 –> 00:43:46.000
00:43:49.680 –> 00:44:03.680
So that was amazing. I used some of the scripts.
Some of the script practices during my labor.
00:44:06.333 –> 00:44:11.040
I definitely used the breathing techniques.
Oh my gosh, the breathing techniques.
00:44:12.640 –> 00:44:18.080
If nothing else, the breathing
techniques! Thy’re so good!
00:44:19.520 –> 00:44:27.120
And knowing what my uterus and muscles
around my uterus, were doing, was
00:44:28.320 –> 00:44:43.120
key, in how I physically reacted to my contractions
in my labor. And knowing that clenching my muscles
00:44:45.200 –> 00:44:54.800
would make it hurt more, and would make it
go slower, meant that I had reason, and I had
00:44:54.800 –> 00:45:01.520
wherewithal to go: No, I’m going to actively,
like: What I did against my contractions, was
00:45:01.520 –> 00:45:07.920
relax against them. Even though everything in
my instincts was going: Clench your muscles!
00:45:07.920 –> 00:45:15.040
And sometimes I would start to clench and
then be like: Oh no, I have to relax.
00:45:16.560 –> 00:45:21.467
So that was a huge thing, that I did.
And even when I was in like the worst,
00:45:22.000 –> 00:45:27.120
I say worst, the most intense, is
hypnobirthing terminology. But even
00:45:27.120 –> 00:45:33.120
when I was in the most intense part of
my birth, I was doing everything I could
00:45:33.120 –> 00:45:39.280
to relax those muscles. Literally like
in the car, hanging on to the safety bar,
00:45:40.800 –> 00:45:45.840
clenching everything in my upper body, so that
I could relax my abdomen and my lower body.
00:45:47.840 –> 00:45:54.160
Which totally worked by the way! It was great.
I highly recommend occupying your brain with
00:45:54.160 –> 00:45:58.960
something else, so that… And part of, part of
hypnobirthing is visualizations. Which are
00:45:58.960 –> 00:46:02.640
to occupy your brain with something else,
so that you’re not paying attention to
00:46:03.520 –> 00:46:05.600
the intensity of what’s happening in your uterus.
00:46:08.080 –> 00:46:13.200
Again, there’s so much more to this and I
encourage anyone who’s even remotely interested:
00:46:13.200 –> 00:46:18.080
Please check it out. Watch it… Oh, there are
free videos from The Positive Birth Company.
00:46:18.080 –> 00:46:25.600
We can link some of those. And also link
The Positive Birth Company website.
00:46:25.600 –> 00:46:30.320
So you can check out the free videos. I think she
posted a couple on the breathing techniques.
00:46:31.840 –> 00:46:35.280
So another part of hypnobirthing,
that they talk about, is that
00:46:36.800 –> 00:46:40.240
birth doesn’t have to be loud. Doesn’t have
to have screaming. Doesn’t have to have…
00:46:40.960 –> 00:46:43.840
You don’t have to be making all these noises.
00:46:46.000 –> 00:46:56.640
It’s the idea, that birth is natural and calm
and quiet and personal in every other mammal on
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the planet. So why should we be the exception? Why
should our births be traumatic and painful and
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full of screaming and in need of
all of this medicalized intervention?
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So that’s a part of it. A huge part, that I
incorporated was being in this birth center,
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where it was a super comfortable room. It was low
lighting, I was able to be in the pool, I was on
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my own for a lot of it. Not like, in the way that
they left me alone, but in the way that they let
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me do my thing and weren’t around watching me. Which I
don’t know that I would have even noticed if they
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had been. But like, just because of where I was
in my birth, by the time I got to the birth center.
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But I was comfortable. I was with my partner. I
was with my doula. I was not in a place where I
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was in stark lighting with my legs open
and a bunch of people that I don’t know
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were around me. Right? So one of the huge
things that especially Siobhan talks about, is:
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The way that you want to do your birth,
is the way that you would imagine
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where you want to poop, right? Like do you always
take a poop, okay, with your legs open, with a bunch
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of strangers staring at your bits? Like, you’re
not going to be able to poop in that situation.
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Because that’s not how we poop. We poop in
private, in a place that we’re comfortable.
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In a place that we’re by ourselves.
So you also aren’t going to want to
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give birth, and your your body is going to
have a physical reaction…. If you imagine…
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a lot of people can’t pee if someone
else is in the room with them.
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And that’s a physical thing, right? They physically
cannot pee. It’s not they don’t want to, it’s that
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they physically can’t pee. So your body has a
physiological reaction to social things that
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are happening in the room. So that was a huge
part of hypnobirthing in my birth. Was the actual
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surroundings that I was in, in giving birth.
I felt safe. I trusted the people that were
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in charge of my care. I was allowed to be in
charge. Allowed to say what I needed. And allowed to
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act on that. Within the bounds of safety. And
allowed to react to and engage at every point
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when a decision needed to be made. So I got
to say when I was starting to push, I got to,
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I wasn’t told when to push or how to push. I
wasn’t told where I had to be for any of that.
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I wasn’t told that I needed to be in a certain
position, where I needed to be in a certain place.
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And I will say, a lot of these things can
also happen in hospital births. But again,
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I haven’t experienced a hospital birth and
I haven’t and… So I can’t speak to whether
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or not that would have been the case. But I
made the decision to not have a hospital birth.
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Because I think I would have had to be a lot
more active to create that environment in a
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hospital. And that’s not my personality. And that’s
not what I wanted to be doing at that time.
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So those are the main things.
I’m looking at my notes.
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Oh, the other thing is: One of my favorite
affirmations, that the hypnobirthing
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affirmations script has, is, and I’m going to
not say it completely right, but basically:
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I know that my baby and I will be able to handle
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anything that happens in my birth.
Anything that happens in my birth,
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I can take it on, because I know that I am able,
and that my baby is able. Right? So like, it’s…
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What that did for me, was sort of take, and
it didn’t entire… right, like, all this is a
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process. And it’s work to get to the place
where you believe all of the affirmations
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that you’re saying. That’s why you say them so
often. So that you come to better believe them.
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And in saying them, you can sort of realize,
what it is about that affirmation, that you
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don’t believe. And figure out why that
is. And how to address that.
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But that is my favorite one. Because it gave me the
freedom for my birth to happen, however it happened.
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And even though I set up all of these
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things, all of these environmental
factors, and all of this work internally,
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to have the birth that I envisioned. And
worked to have the birth that I envisioned.
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There is a part of it, that says: Even if it’s
not exactly how I envisioned, it is good. Even if
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it’s not what I had planned, it is good. And I can
handle it, because I trust myself, I trust my body.
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I trust my baby, I trust my partner, I… you know, I
trust in all of these things, that I have set up
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to create a birth, that is positive.
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So. That was my experience. Oh. I will say, I
was very loud. I was not quiet.
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I was quiet until… probably…
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H: The car?
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M: I was quiet in the car for the most part.
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I was like very quiet in the car, because it
took a lot of concentration to stay calm and…
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Okay, in the car… I had an hour and a half car
drive, when I was very close to transitioning.
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Like I threw up before I got in the car. That’s how
close I was. So… And I also threw up in the car.
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But it’s fine. I didn’t even remember throwing
up. For anyone that’s worried about throwing
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up. I didn’t even remember it, until they like
actively went back through my birth to recount it.
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I had totally forgotten
about throwing up. Oh, [__]! It stopped recording.
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Hi, this is Hanna
from editing. You probably noticed 24
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minutes ago. But we only noticed now,
that Megan’s recording had stopped. So
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after being mad and upset for a few minutes, we
decided to go ahead and use the backup recording
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that we had. And finish it up with the backup
recording. So we apologize for the lower quality
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that you have already been experiencing
for 24 minutes and will for another 10,
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20 maybe. You will know how much is left. You
can just look at the timeline. You will know.
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I don’t know yet, because I’m not done editing.
Anyways. We apologize. We are working on it. We’re
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getting better. We’re figuring it out. And
thank you for sticking with us. Okay, back to the original episode.
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I was loud. I was making a
lot of noise. I think is, where I was ending it.
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I didn’t have this beautiful, calm totally
internal birth. I did like sing to the moon.
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Which is how I picture it in retrospect. I don’t
think that’s how I pictured it then. But I was like
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making a lot of vocalizations
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during my surges. My contractions. Surges
is what they’re called in hypnobirthing.
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So that was definitely different
than I was expecting it to be.
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But it was also just real and and how I was feeling.
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And didn’t feel like a concession.
Didn’t feel like a defeat in any way.
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What I loved was: My midwife didn’t
have anything to say about how I was
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pushing or what I was doing or what I
should be doing. What I shouldn’t be doing.
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Except for, she did, when I was making noises,
and I would get high pitched, she’d be like:
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Try to keep it in the lower register. Try to
keep it to a, you know, keep it on the low end.
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And what that did was, connect with me
physiologically, there. As I was making
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those higher pitched noises, I made those when
I started to like feel pain. When I started to
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feel like I couldn’t. Feel, like I
couldn’t. Right? So I would make those
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noises when I felt like it was too much.
And what bringing the noise lower did,
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was actually cause me to focus
on relaxing and focus on not…
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Because when I was making those
noises is, when I started to feel like
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ring of fire sort of pain, right. Like,
stretching in my vaginal opening,
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that was beyond where my skin was at. Beyond what
my skin could handle in that moment. And bringing
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it lower, helped me to not do that. So that was one
thing that my midwife did. Which was just amazing.
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I’m doing a lot of chef’s kisses today. I don’t
know what that’s about. But it’s happening .
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Yeah. So I absolutely effing loved my birth.
I don’t know, are we swearing on this podcast?
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I [ __ ] loved my birth. And
hypnobirthing was a huge part of that.
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I would say probably the main
part of it. I’m really happy that I
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chose to go to a birth center. And I would
say hypnobirthing was a part of that decision.
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And we’re gonna do an episode on why I chose
a birth center and all of that. But yeah.
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Please check out hypnobirthing if you’re pregnant
and any of this sounds interesting to you.
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It created a mindset around my birth experience which
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impacted me physiologically and mentally and
emotionally. And just in every aspect of how I
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experienced my birth. And I mean my birth went
very well. But there were things that could have
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created a different experience,
if I had a different mindset
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and had a different idea of it going into it. So…
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H: That was a cliffhanger, I feel like.
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M: I love hypnobirthing. Oh yeah, there you go. Teaser!
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H: Also: I hope this is okay. That I can offer that…
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I think you can, if you have questions
for Megan, you can send them in.
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M: Oh yeah! Please do, yeah. Yeah, and tell us about your
hypnobirths. Tell us about your non-hypnobirths.
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We want to know. We want to hear about
them. Yeah I really want to hear about them.
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I’m no longer pregnant or anywhere close to giving
birth and I am still reading all of the birth
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stories on The Positive Birth Company Facebook
page. Because I can’t not. I love birth.
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Tell us all about it. And
send us your questions and
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ask me about hypnobirthing.
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Thanks for listening to me prattle
on. Thanks for recording when you’re on your period.
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Even though my stupid camera… I’m
buying a camera. Because this is, this is…
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My phone has caused us to lose,
what, three separate recordings now?
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01:00:57.033 –> 01:01:04.633
M: And we had to cancel a recording session, because of my phone. So this is not okay. I’m buying a phone.
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H: We’re a little behind schedule. But it’s okay. It’s giving us practice. Let’s look on the bright side.
01:01:12.600 –> 01:01:21.600
M: It is giving us practice. I would prefer that that practice be successful recordings.
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H: It’s fine. You need to go
to your meeting. I’m gonna go lie back down.
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M: Good. Do that. Take a few of
those blankets from your floor.
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H: Guys. I’m gonna post, we’re frequently going to
post behind the scenes pictures. My office when we
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record, when we record looks ridiculous.
Because I have a hardwood floor.
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I do not want carpet in here, because it’s a
beautiful floor. I also don’t have a lot of
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furniture in here. Because my brain works
better when there’s less stuff around. I like
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the bare, minimalist look. But that makes my room
echo. So the audio is not great. So I gather all the
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blankets, and old curtains actually, from all around
the house, and pillows, when we record. And just…
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Yeah. So anyways. Thanks for listening.
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M: Thanks for listening.
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H: And I can’t wait for the birth one now.
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M: Me too. I’m gonna, I’m gonna do notes and
time stamps again. Even though I didn’t
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totally follow it. It was very useful.
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H: That’s good. Cool. Okay. Love your face.
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Talk to you guys soon! Bye!
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