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M: Hi!

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H: Oh, I should drink, before the recording starts. Because it’s so loud.

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[loud swallowing]

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M: God, that’s so loud!

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H: I know, I’m sorry.

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M: No, I was joking! [giggles]

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H: I know. Actually, I didn’t.

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M: I was totally joking! Hi Baby, how you doing?

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H: I just burped. Is that gonna be in the recording?

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M: Yep, sure is.


M: Good, that’ll work. [giggles] I’m out of water. We’re so ready.

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H: Okay. Hi, I’m Hanna, and I burp a lot. I also fart a lot. I’m a human 

being and I have all the functions  

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of a human, that happen frequently. I’m also on my period right 

now. I’m sweating profusely.

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All the things coming out of my body 

right now.

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M: You’re doing a clear out.

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H: I’m also really praying, that 

I’m not gonna cry while we do  

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this recording. Although I’m pretty close right now.

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M: So that’s where we’re at today. 

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H: OH, I’m so hot. I’m sorry. We weren’t actually supposed to record today. 

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M: No, we weren’t.

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H: And then Megan called me. And first

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she told me about a dream that 

she had, that made me very upset.  

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And then she was like: So I had a change in my schedule

and I have a free hour. Do you want to record? And I was like… yes?

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M: I don’t have a lot of free hours 

right now. The free hours are thin on the ground.

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H: Yeah. So didn’t think I could say no. So, here we are. Tell them your dream.  

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M: I’m so into this. I’m so into it. Okay. 

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H: This is gonna be either the worst, or the best, or both at the same time.

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M: I’m into it. I don’t care. So 

my dream. The dream was long and involved but  

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the beginning of the dream was, that I had to go 

to Germany to get something that would have been  

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too complicated and expensive to somehow 

figure out how to get to me in America. And  

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so I was in Germany, for like a day, like less 

than 24 hours. 

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H: Sounds like my wedding.

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M: Similar. And so I got there at night and I like 

went to Hanna’s house. Where, your, which was also 

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your mom’s house. But it was neither of the 

actual houses that you have lived in. Just  

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to be clear. It was a wholly different house. But 

you and your mom were both living there. And  

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so I slept in a bed, like without telling her 

I was there. I got there, I went in the house,  

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I slept in the bed. I woke up in the morning and I 

was like: “This is so great. Hanna loves surprises.  

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I’m gonna go in there and surprise her.” And the 

baby was with me. Which was like: She’s gonna be  

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over the moon! And so I went into her room and 

I woke her up that morning. And I was like: “Hi!  

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I’m here!” And she was obviously thrilled. She had a 

great time. And then we just like spent the morning  

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hanging out with Hanna and the baby. And then I 

went and got what I needed. And it was only like  

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12 and my flight back wasn’t until like 7 pm. 

So like I did a whole bunch of stuff after that.  

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Not the important part of the dream, but it was 

super cute. So I called her and told her about that  

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this morning. And she was like: “How dare you. I told 

you I’m close to tears all the time right now!”

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H: That would be, like, one 

of the best days of my life. That’s  

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like, these kind of things, these kind of 

surprises, is what I live for. 

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M: It is. I know. It was magical. I wish I could do it for real.

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H: Me too.

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M: I know.

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H: Okay, let’s get out of sob town. 

What are we talking about today?  

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M: We are talking about hypnobirthing today. And 

I’m so excited. I’m turning you up because I can’t hear you well.

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H: I was like: “Yeah, let’s record. But 

can we do something, where you do the talking and I’m just here?”

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M: And I was like: “Can we talk 

about hypnobirthing?” She said yes. 

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Oh, my baby’s crying. It happens. 

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H: He’s with someone. Again. We’ve said this before. But just be clear: He’s taken care of.

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M: There is a babysitter here.  

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Nanny? I feel weird using the word nanny. But 

she’s here like a significant amount. So I  

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feel like she’s technically a nanny. But I 

feel like only fancy people have nannies.

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Doesn’t matter. It’s not true.  

Not only fancy people have nannies. I guess I have a nanny. So he’s with the nanny.

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H: Also: What’s the definition of fancy?

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M: Like more income than I have.

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H: [chuckels] Okay.

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M: It doesn’t matter. She is lovely and 

here a lot. So I think we can call her a nanny.  

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Anyway. Hypnobirthing. I love 

hypnobirthing. I love it so much.  

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I cannot shut up about it. So I have given 

myself time stamps and I have notes,  

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so that I don’t talk for four hours. 

Because I feel like, that’s not gonna be  

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editable and also not


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H: I wanna say something really quick. We did a first take on Megan’s birth story.That was like… 

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M: That we are not going to post. 

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H: That we’re not going to post. I spent 16 hours 

editing it. And afterwards we were like: “Yeah…. should  

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we do that again?” For different reasons. But it was 

two and a half hours and she talked a lot about  

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hypnobirthing. So after that, I was like: “So one: I 

think we should do that again. Oh also: we only  

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got through half of the birth.

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M: Yeah we had only just 

gotten to the birth center, when you were like…

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H: No no no no no no no! We were at the point at, where 

you would leave the house! We weren’t at the birth  

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center yet! There’s a long car ride…

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M: We didn’t do the car ride?!

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H: Noooo!

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M: Oh my god. 

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H: Anyways. So I was like: One: We’re doing that again.  

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Two: Before we do that, we’re recording an episode 

about hypnobirthing. So you can get all of it out.  

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Everybody knows. you don’t need to take 

detours and we talk just about the birth. So here we are. 

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Hypnobirthing. Megan. What is it? 

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M: And I do have a section… What’s that?

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H: Sorry. I was about to cue you in. Go.

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M: Oh, okay. Yeah. And I do have a section 

about how I used it in birth. And like  

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what worked for me and what I expected and 

all of that. So we’ll get there. I’m so excited.

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Hello my dears. I come to you from the 

laundry corner of my kitchen. Which is a  

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terrible mess. But I am popping in at the 

beginning of this episode to say I messed  

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up and I’m really sorry. And I wanted to say 

that before we go into this episode, because 

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I’m so disappointed in myself.

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The episode you’re about to listen to is 

about hypnobirthing and I talk a lot about  

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unmedicated vaginal birth. And what I call it is: 

natural birth. And I’m so mad at myself. I have  

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been working for a while to train my brain to call 

it unmedicated birth. And clearly it hasn’t worked  

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all the way. But I am still trying to do that. 

I grew up hearing about unmedicated birth being  

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called natural birth. And that’s not to say it’s 

an excuse. It’s just to say that’s how my brain  

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was taught to use that word. And I get so 

annoyed at people when they say natural birth.  

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So I guess that’s like a: “Why don’t you check 

yourself before you try to check other people?”  

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type situation. So here I am checking myself. I 

really apologize. I hope that you can forgive me.  

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Some of you might not care. But I know that 

there are people that will be just as irced  

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as I would be listening to a podcast episode where 

they talk about “natural birth”.

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So all my love to you people that had 

them beautiful natural medicated births.  

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And all my love to the people that didn’t.

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And try to be kind. But I get it, if you’re mad. 

Because I would be too. So I hope that that doesn’t  

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ruin your listening experience of this episode and 

your ideas about hypnobirthing. Because hypnobirthing is  

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amazing. Although in the Mongan Method she does use 

“natural birth” constantly and it really annoyed me.  

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So again, here we are. Yeah, I’m sorry. And I 

just wanted to acknowledge it ahead of time. And  

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we decided not to re-record or 

anything. Or hold the episode, because  

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this is… Oh, sorry, I’m shaking. This is part of 

what we’re here for. We’re here to mess up. 

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And it’s not cute. And it’s not aesthetic. And 

it’s not clean or easy. But it’s what happened. 

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So here’s the hypnobirthing 

episode and I hope you enjoy it. Bye.

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Okay. But let’s start at the beginning.  

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Hypnobirthing, also known as 

the Mongan Method, also known…

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[Loud baby noises in the background] He’s so great. Also known in

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some places as calm birth. Although there 

is like a “Calm Birth” Method, which is  

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apparently different. Which I found out today, as 

I was googling to find some information. So I

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knew that I preferred to have a natural birth. 

I wanted to be open and non-judgmental about  

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intervention methods, depending on the evidence. And, 

you know, my status and pregnancy and all of that.

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And I still very much support that.

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And hypnobirthing is one way of 

mitigating some of those risks and  

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preventing unnecessary intervention. 

So my mom… I’m only gonna go into the…   

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I gave myself five minutes for this. So. My mom 

had three different kinds of births.

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And one of them was a natural birth after 

a c-section. Again, like, I wil 

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stop giving disclaimers. But I’m not saying 

that natural birth is the only way to have,  

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or unmedicated vaginal birth is the only way 

to have a calm lovely experience of birth.   

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But there’s also a lot of benefits to 

having a natural birth, as it’s possible.  

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I was interested in natural birth, because 

of her process with natural birth. Which was:  

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After she had the c-section, this was in the 80s, 

she had to interview a bunch of doctors to get  

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them to let her have a VBAC. Which is a vaginal 

birth after c-section. So she finally did find  

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like the head of OB at a hospital near her. Who 

was like: “Yeah, absolutely. You could do that. That’s  

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great. I’m down. Let’s do it.” So she had me and my 

brother, I’m the middle child, he’s the youngest, 

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with that doctor. So that’s why I was 

interested in a natural birth. Because my  

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mom fought really hard for it. And always 

talked about why she did that. And the

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benefits of natural birth. So that 

was always in my head. And then I  

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am an avid YouTube watcher. And I have been 

watching Louise Pentland for a lot of years.  

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And my first encounter with hypnobirthing via 

youtube was Hannah Michalak, who’s a vlogger,

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and had her second birth with hypnobirthing. 

And then Louise Pentland, who also had  

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her second birth through hypnobirthing. And 

I think a lot of people come to hypnobirthing  

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in their second births. Often because of 

uncomfortable or traumatic first births.  

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I’m really glad that, I didn’t wait to do it until the 

second one. But I also totally see how it is  

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so easy to just go: I’m gonna do whatever the 

doctor tells me to do, I don’t need to like  

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take on a whole other section of learning 

and experience to do this. Because, that’s,  

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I have too much going on right now and 

I don’t know what I’m doing and I don’t  

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want to be in charge. Like, I totally get that. 

Right? Like, find an expert, trust that expert.

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What I experienced and now, like… 

Once I decided to do hypnobirthing…  

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From the beginning of my birth, I was interested 

in, – from birth -, of my pregnancy, I was interested in  

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hypnobirthing. Because of what I had heard 

from people online, what I had looked up myself.

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And so I wanted to look into it. I knew 

there were other, like natural birth methods,  

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but this one seemed like, right up my street.

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And so I looked into it a lot. But you’re not 

supposed to do a birth class until like pretty  

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late in your pregnancy. I did it probably 

earlier than most people do. I started at

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20 something weeks, it must have been. 

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I think I started before I was six months pregnant.   

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So it was pretty early. 

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But I took a course locally. 

I found a teacher locally, because I really wanted  

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to do an in-person course – hahaha. And I really wanted to 

meet other expecting parents. Again, lol. And  

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so I found someone locally. Who, thank 

god, because she was the only person  

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I could find locally, that wasn’t like an 

hour plus away. She had just started doing,  

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like this was, one: Her second class 

that she had taught total, period. And  

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the first class that she had taught in my local 

area. So I was super excited. I emailed her  

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in like December. Like way too early. I was like: “Hey, 

are you doing any classes locally here and please  

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let me know if you do start a course and bla bla bla.” 

And she said: “Well I don’t have enough  

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people to do that, yet. But I am interested. I’ve got 

a place. And so if you, you know, I’ll let you know,  

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when we have enough people to do a class.” And 

that ended up being in April, which was great,  

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because it was, you know, far enough along that I 

could take a course and it would be pretty normal. 

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So I started, we had one in person class and,

I don’t remember if we were wearing masks  

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at that point. I don’t think so. I think it was 

like right before things got really serious.  

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I might have been wearing masks. We definitely had like hand sanitizer and were sitting pretty far apart from each other.

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H: I think you wore masks. I remember you telling me about it. 

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M: Yeah, we must have done, because it was… It was the beginning of April. So it was already a couple weeks into  

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serious, more serious stuff. Pandemic times.  

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And after that course, it was like six people 

in a pretty small room, and we just weren’t  

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comfortable going. So after that course we 

went online and ended up having one-on-one  

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sessions with her. Which was kind of a bummer. 

For like, knowing the people in our class. 

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But it ended up working just fine.  

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I really liked having an actual class where 

someone was expecting me to be there and someone  

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was expecting me to have practiced. Because there’s 

a lot of practice involved in hypnobirthing.  

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I think there’s practice involved in most 

birth courses but in this one especially. 

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And someone who expected me to have read the stuff and 

watch the videos that she sent out and…   

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I need accountability. So that was great for me. That 

was why I wanted a local course to begin with.

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Her teaching was fine. Again, it was only her second 

course she had ever taught. So that process takes a  

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lot of practice, I’m sure. And I did find, and 

and have generally found that, there’s a lot of  

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very anti-hospital rhetoric in the natural 

birth community, in the hypnobirth community.  

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Although there’s, there’s a spectrum, 

right? Obviously, there’s a spectrum.  

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In the natural birth community, I, feel like 

there’s, generally speaking, the two extremes of  

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fundamentalist religious person and

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natural hippie

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person, like anti-everything medicine. And those 

are the two rhetorics that are happening. And I’m  

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not saying that the people are that way. But that 

is, those are, that’s the language that’s used.  

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And neither of those really totally 

fit my personal approach to stuff.  

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So I was nervous. And she definitely fell into 

one of those streams and talked in one of  

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those ways. Luckily, in hypnobirthing, there is 

active language about using hypnobirthing in a  

00:21:34.480 –> 00:21:41.600

hospital birth, using hypnobirthing in a c-section, 

using hypnobirthing with all versions of birth.  

00:21:42.560 –> 00:21:49.120

And that’s one of the things that I love about it

So we were able to pull that out of it, even though  

00:21:49.120 –> 00:21:57.840

there was a little bit of a disconnect in mindset 

and approach with our teacher, personally.  

00:21:59.040 –> 00:22:05.520

Part of this course was reading the Mongan 

Method, the Hypnobirthing (The  

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Mongan Method), the book. Which we will link 

below. I definitely think it is worth reading. 

00:22:14.160 –> 00:22:18.480

It’s really interesting. Especially at the, 

the beginning of the book. It’s a lot of  

00:22:20.480 –> 00:22:26.240

deconstructing our public perception of birth.

00:22:28.880 –> 00:22:31.760

And I had done some of that already. 

Like I mentioned. With my mom and  

00:22:32.560 –> 00:22:40.160

through some of the content I was consuming. 

But we have a lot of, as a western society, we  

00:22:40.160 –> 00:22:46.000

have a lot of ideas about what birth looks 

like and what it feels like. And that it’s  

00:22:47.440 –> 00:22:55.600

scary and painful and life-threatening. We 

have this idea, that birth is life-threatening.  

00:22:57.280 –> 00:23:01.680

And while it certainly can be life-threatening, 

and there are life-threatening complications  

00:23:01.680 –> 00:23:09.120

that can happen in a birth, the vast 

majority, like vast vast majority of births,  

00:23:10.240 –> 00:23:16.560

do not include a life-threatening 

complication. Are completely natural processes. 

00:23:17.440 –> 00:23:25.600

The word natural has a lot of baggage. But 

are completely human, basic human processes.  

00:23:26.720 –> 00:23:31.600

H: I’ve heard a lot of midwives say that birth is 

not a medical event. Does that fit what you’re trying to say?

00:23:31.600 –> 00:23:42.720

M: Right. Yeah, it does. It doesn’t 

have to be. And we have had so many improvements  

00:23:42.720 –> 00:23:53.360

in medicine and so many advances in how to 

treat the emergencies that do come up, that we’ve  

00:23:53.360 –> 00:24:00.480

kind of swung too far, to trying to “fix” what’s 

happening in birth. And I said “fix” in air quotes.

00:24:01.280 –> 00:24:08.240

When nothing is wrong.

00:24:10.320 –> 00:24:14.160

So hypnobirthing, and some other 

natural birthing techniques,  

00:24:14.160 –> 00:24:21.440

really work to deconstruct how 

we think about birth and

00:24:24.000 –> 00:24:27.040

what our mind-body connection  

00:24:28.000 –> 00:24:34.000

does during birth. And specifically hypnobirthing 

really works on that mind-body connection. And  

00:24:35.680 –> 00:24:41.680

how we perceive what’s happening to us, affects 

what happens to us. So in hypnobirthing you’re  

00:24:41.680 –> 00:24:50.800

trying to retrain your brain to perceive what’s 

happening to you as a natural and beautiful thing. 

00:24:51.520 –> 00:24:57.440

And what that does is, it changes the hormones 

that are moving throughout your body. Instead  

00:24:57.440 –> 00:25:06.320

of fear hormones you have bonding hormones 

and happy hormones. And the hormone that is

00:25:09.360 –> 00:25:16.160

integral to contractions and 

the labor of giving birth  

00:25:17.280 –> 00:25:24.720

is oxytocin. The drug, that they give you to 

induce birth, is pitocin, which is a synthetic form  

00:25:25.680 –> 00:25:32.880

of oxytocin. And oxytocin is a happy hormone, right? 

It’s a bonding hormone. It’s a happy hormone.

00:25:35.600 –> 00:25:39.300

H: In German we call it the Kuschelhormon. The cuddling 


00:25:39.300 –> 00:25:47.800

M: The cuddling hormone! Yeah! Exactly! Because you get it, when you cuddle. When you bond. You get it when you breastfeed. 

00:25:47.800 –> 00:25:53.120

Which is why, after birth, sometimes, breastfeeding causes contractions. Because that’s what makes contractions happen,  

00:25:53.120 –> 00:25:59.040

is oxytocin. It’s this bonding, happy, cuddly 

hormone. I like that: the Kuschelhormon.

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So that’s what hypnobirthing does. And 

that was the practice that I was starting  

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to incorporate into my world. And the way 

that it does that is through self-hypnosis.

00:26:18.080 –> 00:26:28.080

And I know, that hypnosis is a word that is laden 

with like creepy rooms and big performance stuff,  

00:26:28.080 –> 00:26:34.480

right? Like we had a guy come to our college who 

was a hypnotist and he got people on stage and  

00:26:34.480 –> 00:26:40.640

he got them to like dance around like chickens, 

right? That’s what I associate with hypnosis.  

00:26:41.360 –> 00:26:47.280

And I associate hypnosis with, like, my aunt 

went to a hypnotist to quit smoking. That’s…  

00:26:47.280 –> 00:26:54.240

Those are the things that I had in my brain when 

it came to hypnosis. My experience of hypnobirthing,  

00:26:54.240 –> 00:27:01.920

and the hypnosis and self-hypnosis that 

happens through the practice of a hypnobirthing

00:27:04.000 –> 00:27:13.360

hypnosis, self-hypnosis practice? I don’t know. 

Was, that it was kind of what I pictured, and had  

00:27:13.360 –> 00:27:19.600

somewhat experienced in meditation. Especially 

in guided meditation. So, and this is where I’m  

00:27:19.600 –> 00:27:28.560

gonna lean on Hanna a little bit. Because Hanna 

has a gorgeous meditation practice. And… No, but  

00:27:28.560 –> 00:27:31.034

you actively meditate. You actively meditate. 

00:27:31.034 –> 00:27:33.534

H: Sometimes more, sometimes less, yes.

00:27:33.534 –> 00:27:37.034

M: Sure. Which, I think, is part of an active meditation practice.

00:27:37.034 –> 00:27:43.840

I don’t think… anyway.

Anyway, no judging here on your period days.  

00:27:45.840 –> 00:27:50.800

No making sweeping judgments about your 

meditation practice while you’re hormonal. 

00:27:54.720 –> 00:28:07.200

But, in my experience of this hypnobirthing practice, 

there was physical relaxation paired with  

00:28:07.840 –> 00:28:20.480

visualizations and breathing techniques 

and calming practices. That I really,

00:28:22.560 –> 00:28:27.280

basically, what I experienced, was 

what I imagined of guided meditation.  

00:28:28.240 –> 00:28:33.680

And so it’s someone with a 

script saying: “Picture yourself  

00:28:35.360 –> 00:28:42.640

in an open field and you can see the colors of 

the rainbow. Picture red. You’re surrounded by red.”  

00:28:42.640 –> 00:28:47.520

Like there’s, it’s that sort of thing, right? 

It’s… It’s you’ve got your eyes closed, you’re  

00:28:47.520 –> 00:28:55.760

breathing deeply, you’re calming your body. 

And it’s a lot of affirmations. And affirmations  

00:28:55.760 –> 00:29:00.160

are used all over the place. Affirmations are 

used in meditation, they’re used in therapy,

00:29:02.720 –> 00:29:05.400

to rewrite  

00:29:06.160 –> 00:29:15.840

what we associate with something specific. 

Ourselves, and in this case, our births. 

00:29:18.000 –> 00:29:27.440

So that was awesome. And very thankfully due 

to our pandemic life, my partner was able  

00:29:27.440 –> 00:29:32.960

to take this class with me. Originally we 

had anticipated that he wouldn’t be able to.  

00:29:33.680 –> 00:29:39.840

But I’m so grateful that he did. 

And that he could. And that is,  

00:29:40.960 –> 00:29:45.440

I think, if he hadn’t been able to do 

this first in-person course with me,  

00:29:45.440 –> 00:29:52.720

“in person” one-on-one locally teacher-led 

course with me, I would have had him do  

00:29:53.360 –> 00:30:02.960

the online course with me, that I did later in my 

pregnancy. Because what I did find is: After the  

00:30:02.960 –> 00:30:10.720

course ended, it was awesome. She led us in hypnosis 

and in meditation during the course and then  

00:30:11.280 –> 00:30:16.640

we got positive birth videos, which were like 

these videos of people having these gorgeous  

00:30:17.520 –> 00:30:21.920

natural births in all kinds of situations. There 

were people at birth centers, there were people  

00:30:21.920 –> 00:30:27.760

at home, there were people in hospitals. But 

it was like all very calm and very like… oof  

00:30:27.760 –> 00:30:36.240

amazing! And powerful. And that’s a huge part 

of hypnobirthing in general. Is: Filling your

00:30:38.560 –> 00:30:44.640

narrative and filling your content consumption 

with positive birth stories. Which is part of  

00:30:44.640 –> 00:30:49.840

the reason we want to put my birth story on 

this podcast. I mean, we probably would anyway.  

00:30:50.400 –> 00:30:53.520

But for all those people 

looking for positive birth stories,  

00:30:53.520 –> 00:30:57.760

mine is gorgeous and I loved it and 

I can’t wait to tell you all about it.

00:31:00.480 –> 00:31:08.160

But we were watching videos of people giving 

birth. We were watching, we were doing meditation or  

00:31:08.160 –> 00:31:18.160

self-hypnosis, every single day. We weren’t every 

single day, but trying to do it every day. 

00:31:20.000 –> 00:31:27.520

And basically, as much as you can practice, as possible. 

Like, if you can do it three times a day, go you, you  

00:31:27.520 –> 00:31:32.160

should do it three times a day. If you can do it 

three times a week, go you, you should do it three  

00:31:32.160 –> 00:31:40.880

times a week. The more you can do it, the more it’s 

in your body. So we aimed for once a day every  

00:31:40.880 –> 00:31:48.800

day, together. Which was also great, because like 

meditation is just good for your life in general.  

00:31:50.320 –> 00:31:56.640

Like it’s just, it’s a beautiful thing, if you 

can relax your body and connect with your body.  

00:31:57.360 –> 00:32:02.640

And especially if you’re pregnant. If you can 

connect with your body and connect with your baby.  

00:32:04.480 –> 00:32:09.280

I found it kind of hard to connect with my baby 

sometimes. Because I’ve never had a baby before.  

00:32:09.280 –> 00:32:14.080

And I knew that my body was changing. 

And I could feel it move sometimes but

00:32:16.240 –> 00:32:20.240

I didn’t do a lot of talking to my baby 

before he was born. I would like say “Hello”  

00:32:20.240 –> 00:32:24.720

whenever he moved and be like “Hi baby, 

how’s it going?” and occasionally I would  

00:32:24.720 –> 00:32:28.720

do some talking. And when I was walking, when 

I would walk, I would sing to him. But like,  

00:32:30.320 –> 00:32:37.760

I didn’t feel like an interpersonal 

connection with my like unborn baby.  

00:32:38.480 –> 00:32:46.400

And these, sort of, guided meditations helped 

with that. And I’m calling them guided  

00:32:46.400 –> 00:32:53.040

meditations. So, based on what I’m describing, how, 

would you say, that there is a difference between,

00:32:55.760 –> 00:32:59.133

I know I’m vaguely describing it. And you haven’t 

experienced it yet, but… 

00:32:59.133 –> 00:33:04.633

H: No, I can I can say something about it, because you asked me to speak one for you.

00:33:04.633 –> 00:33:09.840

So I’ll just go from that. You gave me a script… 

00:33:10.640 –> 00:33:12.833

M: Oh yeah! I did. … that you recorded for me. 

00:33:12.833 –> 00:33:17.833

H: Yeah, that I recorded 

for you. Which was so sweet. She asked her sister and I

00:33:17.840 –> 00:33:24.733

 to do a script for her, so she could, if she 

wanted to, use that in birth and have us there. Which was really cute.  

00:33:24.867 –> 00:33:26.667

M: It was awesome.

00:33:27.667 –> 00:33:43.680

H: Yeah, from that, I agree. I think… To me it felt a lot like a mix between a guided meditation and… and I’ve 

been trying to think of this word…

00:33:45.760 –> 00:33:51.840

Yes, affirmation, but I’m looking for a 

word, that’s a little different than that.

00:33:55.040 –> 00:33:57.840

…it’s not proposition…

00:34:01.280 –> 00:34:01.840

darn it!

00:34:05.600 –> 00:34:08.640

Like offering something, proposing something, like…  

00:34:10.000 –> 00:34:17.520

What’s this word?! Okay, whatever. A mix 

between a guided meditation and affirmations.

00:34:25.520 –> 00:34:29.280

And yeah, I also agree with 

like, the hypnosis part.  

00:34:29.280 –> 00:34:39.360

I also could see in there, which 

again, what you said, in order to…

00:34:42.160 –> 00:34:48.480

whoever has this picture of what you said: Hypnosis 

is someone making you dance like a chicken,  

00:34:49.040 –> 00:34:56.320

is not gonna get the picture here. But I also 

don’t know if we’re gonna be able to describe it  

00:34:56.320 –> 00:35:03.520

and change that assumption, if you don’t 

experience it. So I’m just not going to try.  

00:35:04.880 –> 00:35:12.080

M: Yeah. Yeah, I think if you, if anyone 

is freaked out by the word hypnosis,

00:35:14.240 –> 00:35:22.633

just replace it with guided meditation. 

Yeah, or meditation. Because, it’s close enough.

00:35:22.800 –> 00:35:39.440

H: Yeah! It is. Exactly. When you do a guided meditation, you, at least in my experience, you do get into a very very similar state as hypnosis. 

00:35:39.440 –> 00:35:49.520

Because I think there are also… like, there are always 

levels to everything, right? Like a hypnosis  

00:35:49.520 –> 00:35:54.720

doesn’t need to mean that I can make you 

do anything and later you don’t remember.  

00:35:54.720 –> 00:36:02.880

It can also mean, like I’m fully aware of 

what’s happening and you’re helping me 

00:36:02.880 –> 00:36:08.200

imagine stuff, relax more. I feel like that… that’s 

where hypnobirthing is at. 

00:36:09.833 –> 00:36:21.680

M: Yeah. Right. And where it becomes hypnosis is the fact that, 

there is someone, even if it’s a recorded someone,  

00:36:22.720 –> 00:36:33.733

that is walking you through the steps of  relaxing your body and engaging with changing the way that you think about something. 

00:36:33.733 –> 00:36:38.560

H: Yeah. 

I think the hypnosis part is just certain  

00:36:38.560 –> 00:36:48.880

tools that whoever is speaking this uses. So 

there’s like the counting down, or the, they  

00:36:48.880 –> 00:36:56.080

give you an image of walking down a set of stairs 

and with every further step you take you get more  

00:36:56.080 –> 00:37:01.600

and more relaxed and your eyelids are feeling 

heavy and whatever you try you’re not going to  

00:37:01.600 –> 00:37:06.960

be able to open them, because they’re really heavy,… 

you’re really relaxed… I think those are just  

00:37:07.600 –> 00:37:14.333

tools they use for you to be able to get those 

visual images and relax. 

00:37:14.500 –> 00:37:20.833

M: Yeah. I agree. I agree. So…

00:37:25.200 –> 00:37:30.633

Yeah. That was… I think that was well said.

Cool. Thank you. 

00:37:31.633 –> 00:37:34.400

H: I was wondering if I even  answered your question. 

00:37:34.400 –> 00:37:46.600

M: No, I totally think you did. I think you were able to articulate things that are just out of my, out of my experience. So thank you.

00:37:48.080 –> 00:37:53.280

Yeah, so… I’m just looking at timing.

00:37:55.600 –> 00:38:01.760

So it’s time to move on. I do want to mention 

before we move into my birth experience,  

00:38:03.040 –> 00:38:08.480

specifically, hypnobirthing wise, 

we’re not going to go on forever. 

00:38:10.800 –> 00:38:13.360

After I did that class, it was another

00:38:16.400 –> 00:38:25.680

month and a half, two months until I gave birth. So 

about at the beginning of July, and I gave birth in  

00:38:25.680 –> 00:38:38.800

July, I bought the online pack from The Positive 

Birth Company. Which is a UK based hypnobirthing  

00:38:40.000 –> 00:38:47.600

school, basically. Who’s… and Siobhan 

Miller is the owner of that company.  

00:38:49.120 –> 00:38:54.720

And her goal is to make hypnobirthing accessible. So 

this pack is 40 pounds. Which ended up being about  

00:38:54.720 –> 00:39:03.520

56 dollars, at the time, when I bought it. And, which is 

super affordable. The in-person class I took was  

00:39:04.640 –> 00:39:12.640

200 dollars. And that was actually on the low end of a 

hypnobirthing class. And I think it’s because she  

00:39:12.640 –> 00:39:17.840

was new and so she wasn’t charging as much as some 

of the more experienced folks were. Because she was  

00:39:17.840 –> 00:39:23.760

trying to establish her own experience in itself. 

So anyway. 200 dollars for the in-person course, which was  

00:39:24.720 –> 00:39:35.040

five weeks of two hours a week. And then I paid 

like fifty dollars for the same number of hours  

00:39:35.600 –> 00:39:43.680

of content. But obviously it was pre-recorded 

and pre-loaded onto the platform. So it wasn’t  

00:39:43.680 –> 00:39:52.240

someone interacting with me one-on-one. 

Although I think there is like, the, there’s  

00:39:52.240 –> 00:39:58.640

definitely like a contact us link, where you 

can send questions and send, like ask people  

00:39:58.640 –> 00:40:03.520

questions and and send in your own information 

feedback and get something personalized.  

00:40:04.160 –> 00:40:09.760

But the goal of this is to make it really 

accessible in a way that makes sense for the  

00:40:09.760 –> 00:40:16.320

instructor. So Siobhan teaches that class. And she 

does all the videos for it. And there’s a a whole  

00:40:16.320 –> 00:40:23.920

book. And there’s mp3s for doing the practice and 

there’s videos of births. And you have access to  

00:40:23.920 –> 00:40:29.120

this positive birth Facebook group, which is so 

fantastic, and just full of people telling their  

00:40:29.120 –> 00:40:37.360

positive birth stories, it’s amazing. And I also did 

really struggle to find positive birth stories of  

00:40:37.360 –> 00:40:43.760

first-time moms, and there’s lots of those in this 

Facebook group. So that was really exciting.  

00:40:45.680 –> 00:40:52.080

So that was what I did a few weeks before 

my birth as a sort of a refresher. And a  

00:40:53.120 –> 00:40:57.040

refresher also of my practice of hypnobirthing, because it was top of mind again.

00:40:58.240 –> 00:41:05.840

So, moving on to my birth. I 

loved my birth, it was so great.  

00:41:06.960 –> 00:41:17.200

So in hypnobirthing, there’s a lot of promises. 

They say if you do this practice, your, well,

00:41:19.280 –> 00:41:27.600

your birth will be either not painful or less 

painful. They talk a lot about birth not  

00:41:27.600 –> 00:41:36.160

being painful. My birth did involve pain. But it was not unbearable pain, and it was not…  

00:41:37.760 –> 00:41:40.160

the contractions were not 

the most painful part of my birth.  

00:41:41.280 –> 00:41:46.560

And even the most painful part of my 

birth, was not worse than anything that I’ve…  

00:41:47.120 –> 00:41:56.320

like I’ve had worse pain. I’ve had a lot worse. 

So I would say that was a huge part of this.

00:41:58.800 –> 00:42:05.600

I was more calm and more alert,  

than my midwife expected me to be. And this is…  

00:42:07.440 –> 00:42:13.200

H: Can you explain how that is not 

a contradiction? More calm AND more alert?  

00:42:14.480 –> 00:42:24.800

M: Oh sure, yeah. So because I was calm, and because 

I was not afraid of what was happening, because I  

00:42:24.800 –> 00:42:38.160

knew what to expect, and I had tools to engage with 

what was happening in my body, I had brain space  

00:42:38.160 –> 00:42:43.840

for what was going on around me. And I was 

able, I wasn’t freaked out. I wasn’t

00:42:46.320 –> 00:42:49.600

shutting down and entirely, internally focused.

00:42:53.040 –> 00:43:01.520

Although I, and at some point, I was entirely 

internally focused. But not in a, I wasn’t in  

00:43:01.520 –> 00:43:08.000

a panic, basically. So, and I, again, I haven’t 

had any other birth experience, so I can’t speak  

00:43:08.000 –> 00:43:14.240

to what it normally is. But I do know, that my 

midwife was convinced I wasn’t as far along  

00:43:14.240 –> 00:43:21.360

as I said I was, because I was calm and because 

I could talk to her in between contractions.  

00:43:21.360 –> 00:43:25.680

Because we were having a fairly decent 

conversation and I wasn’t like: This is the  

00:43:25.680 –> 00:43:31.600

worst thing I’ve ever experienced, get me in there 

immediately! Right? Like, that wasn’t where I was.  

00:43:32.480 –> 00:43:40.880

And so she thought that I still had 12, 13 

hours to go. When I had three to four. 

00:43:43.680 –> 00:43:46.000

Yeah. Yeah.

00:43:49.680 –> 00:44:03.680

So that was amazing. I used some of the scripts. 

Some of the script practices during my labor.  

00:44:06.333 –> 00:44:11.040

I definitely used the breathing techniques. 

Oh my gosh, the breathing techniques.  

00:44:12.640 –> 00:44:18.080

If nothing else, the breathing 

techniques! Thy’re so good! 

00:44:19.520 –> 00:44:27.120

And knowing what my uterus and muscles 

around my uterus, were doing, was  

00:44:28.320 –> 00:44:43.120

key, in how I physically reacted to my contractions 

in my labor. And knowing that clenching my muscles

00:44:45.200 –> 00:44:54.800

would make it hurt more, and would make it 

go slower, meant that I had reason, and I had  

00:44:54.800 –> 00:45:01.520

wherewithal to go: No, I’m going to actively, 

like: What I did against my contractions, was  

00:45:01.520 –> 00:45:07.920

relax against them. Even though everything in 

my instincts was going: Clench your muscles! 

00:45:07.920 –> 00:45:15.040

And sometimes I would start to clench and 

then be like: Oh no, I have to relax.

00:45:16.560 –> 00:45:21.467

So that was a huge thing, that I did. 

And even when I was in like the worst,  

00:45:22.000 –> 00:45:27.120

I say worst, the most intense, is 

hypnobirthing terminology. But even  

00:45:27.120 –> 00:45:33.120

when I was in the most intense part of 

my birth, I was doing everything I could  

00:45:33.120 –> 00:45:39.280

to relax those muscles. Literally like 

in the car, hanging on to the safety bar,  

00:45:40.800 –> 00:45:45.840

clenching everything in my upper body, so that 

I could relax my abdomen and my lower body. 

00:45:47.840 –> 00:45:54.160

Which totally worked by the way! It was great. 

I highly recommend occupying your brain with  

00:45:54.160 –> 00:45:58.960

something else, so that… And part of, part of 

hypnobirthing is visualizations. Which are  

00:45:58.960 –> 00:46:02.640

to occupy your brain with something else, 

so that you’re not paying attention to  

00:46:03.520 –> 00:46:05.600

the intensity of what’s happening in your uterus.

00:46:08.080 –> 00:46:13.200

Again, there’s so much more to this and I 

encourage anyone who’s even remotely interested:  

00:46:13.200 –> 00:46:18.080

Please check it out. Watch it… Oh, there are 

free videos from The Positive Birth Company.  

00:46:18.080 –> 00:46:25.600

We can link some of those. And also link 

The Positive Birth Company website.

00:46:25.600 –> 00:46:30.320

So you can check out the free videos. I think she 

posted a couple on the breathing techniques. 

00:46:31.840 –> 00:46:35.280

So another part of hypnobirthing, 

that they talk about, is that  

00:46:36.800 –> 00:46:40.240

birth doesn’t have to be loud. Doesn’t have 

to have screaming. Doesn’t have to have…  

00:46:40.960 –> 00:46:43.840

You don’t have to be making all these noises.  

00:46:46.000 –> 00:46:56.640

It’s the idea, that birth is natural and calm 

and quiet and personal in every other mammal on  

00:46:56.640 –> 00:47:03.360

the planet. So why should we be the exception? Why 

should our births be traumatic and painful and  

00:47:05.040 –> 00:47:09.840

full of screaming and in need of 

all of this medicalized intervention?

00:47:15.360 –> 00:47:22.800

So that’s a part of it. A huge part, that I 

incorporated was being in this birth center, 

00:47:23.360 –> 00:47:31.280

where it was a super comfortable room. It was low 

lighting, I was able to be in the pool, I was on  

00:47:31.280 –> 00:47:35.440

my own for a lot of it. Not like, in the way that 

they left me alone, but in the way that they let  

00:47:35.440 –> 00:47:40.720

me do my thing and weren’t around watching me. Which I 

don’t know that I would have even noticed if they  

00:47:40.720 –> 00:47:47.440

had been. But like, just because of where I was 

in my birth, by the time I got to the birth center.  

00:47:48.000 –> 00:47:58.080

But I was comfortable. I was with my partner. I 

was with my doula. I was not in a place where I  

00:47:58.080 –> 00:48:02.560

was in stark lighting with my legs open 

and a bunch of people that I don’t know  

00:48:03.200 –> 00:48:11.920

were around me. Right? So one of the huge 

things that especially Siobhan talks about, is:

00:48:16.080 –> 00:48:17.120

Imagine doing..

00:48:19.200 –> 00:48:22.880

The way that you want to do your birth, 

is the way that you would imagine  

00:48:23.680 –> 00:48:30.960

where you want to poop, right? Like do you always 

take a poop, okay, with your legs open, with a bunch  

00:48:30.960 –> 00:48:37.520

of strangers staring at your bits? Like, you’re 

not going to be able to poop in that situation.

00:48:39.680 –> 00:48:43.360

Because that’s not how we poop. We poop in

private, in a place that we’re comfortable.

00:48:45.680 –> 00:48:49.920

In a place that we’re by ourselves. 

So you also aren’t going to want to  

00:48:49.920 –> 00:48:55.360

give birth, and your your body is going to 

have a physical reaction…. If you imagine…  

00:48:56.080 –> 00:48:59.280

a lot of people can’t pee if someone 

else is in the room with them.  

00:49:00.560 –> 00:49:04.560

And that’s a physical thing, right? They physically 

cannot pee. It’s not they don’t want to, it’s that  

00:49:04.560 –> 00:49:11.280

they physically can’t pee. So your body has a 

physiological reaction to social things that  

00:49:11.280 –> 00:49:18.160

are happening in the room. So that was a huge 

part of hypnobirthing in my birth. Was the actual  

00:49:20.160 –> 00:49:25.200

surroundings that I was in, in giving birth. 

I felt safe. I trusted the people that were  

00:49:25.200 –> 00:49:33.600

in charge of my care. I was allowed to be in 

charge. Allowed to say what I needed. And allowed to  

00:49:34.480 –> 00:49:46.560

act on that. Within the bounds of safety. And 

allowed to react to and engage at every point  

00:49:46.560 –> 00:49:52.800

when a decision needed to be made. So I got 

to say when I was starting to push, I got to,  

00:49:53.760 –> 00:50:01.440

I wasn’t told when to push or how to push. I 

wasn’t told where I had to be for any of that.  

00:50:01.440 –> 00:50:05.760

I wasn’t told that I needed to be in a certain 

position, where I needed to be in a certain place. 

00:50:05.760 –> 00:50:11.520

And I will say, a lot of these things can 

also happen in hospital births. But again,  

00:50:11.520 –> 00:50:17.680

I haven’t experienced a hospital birth and 

I haven’t and… So I can’t speak to whether  

00:50:17.680 –> 00:50:22.080

or not that would have been the case. But I

made the decision to not have a hospital birth.  

00:50:23.200 –> 00:50:30.400

Because I think I would have had to be a lot 

more active to create that environment in a  

00:50:30.400 –> 00:50:37.120

hospital. And that’s not my personality. And that’s 

not what I wanted to be doing at that time. 

00:50:39.200 –> 00:50:42.800

So those are the main things. 

I’m looking at my notes.

00:50:44.880 –> 00:50:48.640

Oh, the other thing is: One of my favorite 

affirmations, that the hypnobirthing  

00:50:50.480 –> 00:50:58.400

affirmations script has, is, and I’m going to 

not say it completely right, but basically:

00:51:02.400 –> 00:51:05.600

I know that my baby and I will be able to handle  

00:51:06.480 –> 00:51:09.680

anything that happens in my birth. 

Anything that happens in my birth, 

00:51:12.800 –> 00:51:19.200

I can take it on, because I know that I am able, 

and that my baby is able. Right? So like, it’s…

00:51:21.360 –> 00:51:27.120

What that did for me, was sort of take, and 

it didn’t entire… right, like, all this is a  

00:51:27.120 –> 00:51:31.600

process. And it’s work to get to the place 

where you believe all of the affirmations  

00:51:32.560 –> 00:51:39.440

that you’re saying. That’s why you say them so 

often. So that you come to better believe them.  

00:51:40.960 –> 00:51:45.520

And in saying them, you can sort of realize, 

what it is about that affirmation, that you  

00:51:45.520 –> 00:51:51.520

don’t believe. And figure out why that 

is. And how to address that. 

00:51:54.240 –> 00:52:00.720

But that is my favorite one. Because it gave me the 

freedom for my birth to happen, however it happened.  

00:52:02.080 –> 00:52:05.520

And even though I set up all of these  

00:52:06.720 –> 00:52:11.120

things, all of these environmental 

factors, and all of this work internally,  

00:52:12.240 –> 00:52:18.240

to have the birth that I envisioned. And

worked to have the birth that I envisioned.  

00:52:19.680 –> 00:52:26.880

There is a part of it, that says: Even if it’s 

not exactly how I envisioned, it is good. Even if  

00:52:26.880 –> 00:52:34.720

it’s not what I had planned, it is good. And I can 

handle it, because I trust myself, I trust my body.  

00:52:35.360 –> 00:52:42.880

I trust my baby, I trust my partner, I… you know, I 

trust in all of these things, that I have set up

00:52:45.360 –> 00:52:48.080

to create a birth, that is positive.

00:52:50.400 –> 00:52:56.480

So. That was my experience. Oh. I will say, I 

 was very loud. I was not quiet.  

00:52:58.400 –> 00:53:03.033

I was quiet until… probably… 

00:53:03.033 –> 00:53:04.967

H: The car?

00:53:04.967 –> 00:53:07.900

M: I was quiet in the car for the most part.  

00:53:07.920 –> 00:53:14.480

I was like very quiet in the car, because it 

took a lot of concentration to stay calm and… 

00:53:15.600 –> 00:53:25.200

Okay, in the car… I had an hour and a half car 

drive, when I was very close to transitioning.

00:53:27.680 –> 00:53:38.640

Like I threw up before I got in the car. That’s how 

close I was. So… And I also threw up in the car.  

00:53:38.640 –> 00:53:47.520

But it’s fine. I didn’t even remember throwing 

up. For anyone that’s worried about throwing  

00:53:47.520 –> 00:53:52.320

up. I didn’t even remember it, until they like 

actively went back through my birth to recount it.

00:53:54.560 –> 00:54:00.500

I had totally forgotten 

about throwing up. Oh, [__]! It stopped recording.

00:54:00.500 –> 00:54:06.480

Hi, this is Hanna 

from editing. You probably noticed 24  

00:54:06.480 –> 00:54:13.680

minutes ago. But we only noticed now, 

that Megan’s recording had stopped. So  

00:54:15.040 –> 00:54:24.640

after being mad and upset for a few minutes, we 

decided to go ahead and use the backup recording  

00:54:24.640 –> 00:54:32.640

that we had. And finish it up with the backup 

recording. So we apologize for the lower quality  

00:54:32.640 –> 00:54:39.120

that you have already been experiencing 

for 24 minutes and will for another 10,  

00:54:39.840 –> 00:54:47.360

20 maybe. You will know how much is left. You 

can just look at the timeline. You will know.  

00:54:47.360 –> 00:54:55.440

I don’t know yet, because I’m not done editing. 

Anyways. We apologize. We are working on it. We’re  

00:54:55.440 –> 00:55:03.833

getting better. We’re figuring it out. And 

thank you for sticking with us. Okay, back to the original episode.

00:55:04.833 –> 00:55:11.520

I was loud. I was making a 

lot of noise. I think is, where I was ending it.

00:55:13.600 –> 00:55:21.360

I didn’t have this beautiful, calm totally 

internal birth. I did like sing to the moon.  

00:55:22.080 –> 00:55:28.880

Which is how I picture it in retrospect. I don’t 

think that’s how I pictured it then. But I was like

00:55:32.720 –> 00:55:35.840

making a lot of vocalizations  

00:55:35.840 –> 00:55:42.000

during my surges. My contractions. Surges 

is what they’re called in hypnobirthing.

00:55:44.800 –> 00:55:52.000

So that was definitely different 

than I was expecting it to be.

00:55:55.200 –> 00:55:58.720

But it was also just real and and how I was feeling.

00:55:59.440 –> 00:56:05.920

And didn’t feel like a concession. 

Didn’t feel like a defeat in any way.

00:56:09.360 –> 00:56:16.000

What I loved was: My midwife didn’t 

have anything to say about how I was  

00:56:16.000 –> 00:56:19.440

pushing or what I was doing or what I 

should be doing. What I shouldn’t be doing.

00:56:21.360 –> 00:56:28.320

Except for, she did, when I was making noises, 

and I would get high pitched, she’d be like:  

00:56:28.960 –> 00:56:34.240

Try to keep it in the lower register. Try to 

keep it to a, you know, keep it on the low end.  

00:56:36.160 –> 00:56:42.320

And what that did was, connect with me 

physiologically, there. As I was making  

00:56:42.320 –> 00:56:49.440

those higher pitched noises, I made those when 

I started to like feel pain. When I started to

00:56:54.067 –> 00:57:00.880

feel like I couldn’t. Feel, like I 

couldn’t. Right? So I would make those  

00:57:00.880 –> 00:57:06.960

noises when I felt like it was too much. 

And what bringing the noise lower did,  

00:57:08.000 –> 00:57:14.080

was actually cause me to focus 

on relaxing and focus on not…

00:57:17.760 –> 00:57:20.880

Because when I was making those 

noises is, when I started to feel like  

00:57:20.880 –> 00:57:27.520

ring of fire sort of pain, right. Like, 

stretching in my vaginal opening,  

00:57:27.520 –> 00:57:35.600

that was beyond where my skin was at. Beyond what 

my skin could handle in that moment. And bringing  

00:57:35.600 –> 00:57:40.880

it lower, helped me to not do that. So that was one 

thing that my midwife did. Which was just amazing.  

00:57:40.880 –> 00:57:46.640

I’m doing a lot of chef’s kisses today. I don’t 

know what that’s about. But it’s happening .

00:57:49.360 –> 00:57:59.840

Yeah. So I absolutely effing loved my birth. 

I don’t know, are we swearing on this podcast?

00:58:02.160 –> 00:58:09.760

I [ __ ] loved my birth. And 

hypnobirthing was a huge part of that. 

00:58:10.880 –> 00:58:15.360

I would say probably the main 

part of it. I’m really happy that I

00:58:17.760 –> 00:58:21.840

chose to go to a birth center. And I would 

say hypnobirthing was a part of that decision.  

00:58:22.400 –> 00:58:31.440

And we’re gonna do an episode on why I chose 

a birth center and all of that. But yeah.  

00:58:32.160 –> 00:58:37.920

Please check out hypnobirthing if you’re pregnant 

and any of this sounds interesting to you.  

00:58:39.840 –> 00:58:44.480

It created a mindset around my birth experience which

00:58:47.360 –> 00:59:00.320

impacted me physiologically and mentally and 

emotionally. And just in every aspect of how I

00:59:01.440 –> 00:59:10.880

experienced my birth. And I mean my birth went 

very well. But there were things that could have

00:59:16.160 –> 00:59:19.520

created a different experience, 

if I had a different mindset  

00:59:19.520 –> 00:59:22.560

and had a different idea of it going into it. So…

00:59:25.520 –> 00:59:27.467

H: That was a cliffhanger, I feel like.

00:59:27.467 –> 00:59:31.567

M: I love hypnobirthing. Oh yeah, there you go. Teaser!  

00:59:32.480 –> 00:59:38.400

H: Also: I hope this is okay. That I can offer that…

00:59:40.000 –> 00:59:45.840

I think you can, if you have questions 

for Megan, you can send them in.

00:59:45.833 –> 00:59:55.200

M: Oh yeah! Please do, yeah. Yeah, and tell us about your 

hypnobirths. Tell us about your non-hypnobirths. 

00:59:55.200 –> 01:00:01.440

We want to know. We want to hear about 

them. Yeah I really want to hear about them.   

01:00:03.200 –> 01:00:09.120

I’m no longer pregnant or anywhere close to giving 

birth and I am still reading all of the birth  

01:00:09.120 –> 01:00:17.440

stories on The Positive Birth Company Facebook 

page. Because I can’t not. I love birth.  

01:00:19.200 –> 01:00:22.160

Tell us all about it. And 

send us your questions and

01:00:24.240 –> 01:00:28.633

ask me about hypnobirthing.   

01:00:32.640 –> 01:00:39.533

Thanks for listening to me prattle 

on. Thanks for recording when you’re on your period.

01:00:41.533 –> 01:00:49.200

Even though my stupid camera… I’m 

buying a camera. Because this is, this is… 

01:00:49.920 –> 01:00:54.600

My phone has caused us to lose, 

what, three separate recordings now?  

01:00:54.600 –> 01:00:57.033

H: Yeah.

01:00:57.033 –> 01:01:04.633

M: And we had to cancel a recording session, because of my phone.  So this is not okay. I’m buying a phone. 

01:01:04.900 –> 01:01:12.600

H: We’re a little behind schedule. But it’s okay. It’s giving us practice. Let’s look on the bright side. 

01:01:12.600 –> 01:01:21.600

M: It is giving us practice. I would prefer that that practice be successful recordings.

01:01:21.667 –> 01:01:26.480

H: It’s fine. You need to go 

to your meeting. I’m gonna go lie back down.  

01:01:27.760 –> 01:01:32.000

M: Good. Do that. Take a few of 

those blankets from your floor.  

01:01:34.480 –> 01:01:41.360

H: Guys. I’m gonna post, we’re frequently going to 

post behind the scenes pictures. My office when we  

01:01:41.360 –> 01:01:47.360

record, when we record looks ridiculous. 

Because I have a hardwood floor.  

01:01:47.360 –> 01:01:53.040

I do not want carpet in here, because it’s a 

beautiful floor. I also don’t have a lot of  

01:01:54.480 –> 01:02:01.440

furniture in here. Because my brain works 

better when there’s less stuff around. I like  

01:02:01.440 –> 01:02:13.040

the bare, minimalist look. But that makes my room 

echo. So the audio is not great. So I gather all the  

01:02:13.040 –> 01:02:19.600

blankets, and old curtains actually, from all around 

the house, and pillows, when we record. And just… 

01:02:19.600 –> 01:02:22.333

Yeah. So anyways. Thanks for listening. 

01:02:22.333 –> 01:02:24.833

M: Thanks for listening. 

01:02:26.833 –> 01:02:30.833

H: And I can’t wait for the birth one now.

01:02:31.200 –> 01:02:36.400

M: Me too. I’m gonna, I’m gonna do notes and 

time stamps again. Even though I didn’t  

01:02:36.400 –> 01:02:39.267

totally follow it. It was very useful. 

01:02:39.267 –> 01:02:44.839

H: That’s good. Cool. Okay. Love your face.

01:02:45.680 –> 01:02:47.840

Talk to you guys soon! Bye!

01:02:47.840 –> 01:02:49.840

M: Bye!

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